Who’s the Bigger Asshat, the Harley Rider or the Hummer Driver?

This is one of those bitchy, bloggy posts that I try not to write. But heck, I’ll make an exception.

I’ve started listening to a lot of audio books. Because Lord knows that I don’t want to be alone with my thoughts, I listen to my iPod whenever I leave my apartment on foot.

As it turns out, you have to listen a lot more carefully to the spoken word than you do to music. If you miss five or ten seconds of the bridge of, say, Madonna’s “Holiday”, it’s no great loss.

Miss ten seconds of Aristotle’s Poetics, on the other hand, and you’re hosed.

As such, I’ve become more sensitive to urban noise. Harley Davidson motorcycles are among the worst perpetrators. I’m embarrassed to admit that I didn’t realize until a few years ago (I think somebody pointed it out on this site) that they don’t have to make that much noise. The Harley rider is intentionally making a spectacle (and thus an asshole) of himself.

It’s a little ironic that Harleys are associated with being tough and thuggish, when really they scream “please, everybody, look at me! I’m desperate to be the centre of attention!” When I see Harley Davidsons on the weekend, I always assume that the drivers are, in fact, accountants and lawyers playing their own peculiar and expensive game of dress-up. It’s really only another small step to full-on drag.

I was walking home tonight, and a Hummer drove passed, followed soon after by a Harley. It made me wonder, who’s worse? On the one hand, the Hummer is an eyesore, occupies an absurd amount of road, and consumes gasoline like an F-18. On the other hand, the Harley fractures eardrums for several city blocks.

Who do you think is the bigger asshat? And, incidentally, does “Holiday” actually have a bridge?

UPDATE: A commenter points to a couple of interesting articles on ‘the noise level saves lives’ issue: “Loud Pipes Save Lives” or The Madness Behind the Myth and Loud Pipes MAY Save Lives – Another View. Here’s a quote that makes my point better than I can, apparently from a motorcycling enthusiast:

I have to wonder how many others, like myself, really enjoy hearing those cars with the mega-bass audio systems turned up so loud that our stomachs churn or the sound of trash trucks emptying the dumpster at 6 in the morning? Noise pollution effects everyone. Saying “I’m just doing my thing” just doesn’t cut it, not when “doing your thing” violates others right to peace and quiet, there is no right to make excessive noise! And what about the image that excessively loud motorcycles project? When the actions of others have a negative impact on my rights to enjoy motorcycling, that gets my goat up and it should get yours up too.

And a quote from the second, which is a reply on the other side of the argument:

. A policeman’s widow says her motorcycle cop husband talked about how the use of lights and sirens did not stop people from “missing” him. How would he know if the sirens worked – what did he see (or not see)? Many riders with loud pipes can recall instances where drivers made “near misses”. But all this does not refute the idea that loud pipes may have averted accidents. What do you measure or see when a driver does NOT make a lane change, or NOT pull out from a driveway in traffic, or NOT open a door into a rider and his ride — because he/she heard loud pipes? We cannot measure in these cases what does NOT happen – but this does not change the reality that it did NOT happen.


  1. The Harley, for this reason:

    Space is relative, but noise is absolute. A TIME magazine article on sleep/noise pollution that was published a few years ago argued that a single noisy scooter in Paris could wake up to 200,000 people. Even if the number is only a hundredth of that, that’s still 2,000 more agitated, cranky people out there who’re far less rested, far more risky as a hazard, far less productive, and of course, far less tolerant of noisy hogs.

    The annoying factor of the Hummer cannot cause the kind of harm that the Harley’s annoying factor can; therefore, the Harley is worse.

  2. As a nightshift worker: the harley is the worst. I don’t hear the hummers. I hear the damn fool ass harley rider who guns his hawg down Gastown at precisely 6:30 pm every evening, setting off car alarms. if I could geta clear shot, I’d take the bastard out with a can of soup lobbed from my window.

    I just don’t buy the “if you can’t hear us, you can’t see us” they’re selling. I don’t suppose it’s crossed their minds that if they didn’t act like road-asses, other drivers wouldn’t give them so much contempt.

    Courtesy means not sounding like a 747 going past my window.

    ( and yes, i’ve got good aim….)

    1. People who ride Harleys are assholes and are cut from the “America, Fuck Yeah!” cloth. They have no respect…respect for anyone other than their own smelly ass.

      Everytime a motorcycle goes down and some dirtbag loses a leg or dies the world is better off. Oh, I’m sorry did I offend a motorcycle supporter? Too, bad fuck. Make your bike quiet and I this problem wouldn’t exist.

      Oh, I forgot. It’s your right to disturb the peace.

      1. You are a disgrace to society and GOD will judge YOU one day!!! hate to be you!!!

  3. As a motorcyclist (I dislike Harley’s and their look a likes) I would have to say that the harley would be the more annoying, but that we need to fight both cultures that of disturbing the piece for no reason and consuming what the economist would like to deny non renewable resources. Which when one thinks about it the harly does both.

    Also I seen an advertisement in a motorcycle magazine for a special exhaust system that has a button to press so that the annoying harley can be quieted for riding in residential areas and then pressed again for annoying people.

  4. The Hummer won’t try to work its way between me and the car to my right in 30 mile an hour traffic and then whine like a schoolgirl if they get hit so Harley riders – and motorcyclists in general – get my vote.

  5. I’d have to say the Harley, as the riders who insist on modding the bikes to be louder get off on being annoying. Hummer drivers simply live in a world of abject low-grade panic and penis inadequacy, believing that they need 4-wheel drive to get red wine. This actually applies to all SUVs if I may be so blunt on a Saturday morn.

  6. I own a stock 2005 Harley. The mufflers are factory issue. Louder muffler/pipes for my model breaks down like this; $650 for pipes/mufflers, $140 for a new air breather, $270 for a new fuel management device and $300 for dealer install and setup. $1,360 for more noise (and a little increased performance). My stock Harley suits me just fine. I’m not on a “Look at me” trip. I’m not playing an expensive game of dress up. I didn’t by a Harley to be one of the ‘click’. I bought my bike as a commuter (45 mpg)and weekend pleasure ride for my wife and myself ($1,360 comes in handy here). Not all riders are the same. I would hope not everyone judges me and my bike as one of ‘those assholes’. Thats equal to judging entire races of people and religions based on some of those groups.

  7. Mike: I’ll judge your Harley riding only on one issue: how much louder is it than the average car?

    1. What idiots….who cares if my Harley has loud pipes…..loud pipes save lifes…..and I am a woman….5’3 and I’m sure I could kick your candy asses just by the sound of your whines…..IDIOTS

  8. I don’t want to get into a pissing contest. It’s simply this: Factory stock motorcycles must pass the EPA standards for noise levels (what ever those levels may be). Harley-Davidson motorcycles are no exception. The regulations are getting tougher each year. Harley-Davidson no longer sells high performance exhausts for their products because of them. As stated, my bike is factory stock and can still pass EPA regs. There are plenty of SUV’s, 4X4, ‘hot rods’ and fast-n-furious cars out there that are louder than a stock Harley. Road noise alone from tires on some vehicles are louder than my bike.

    1. EPA just more gov. control why dont we all just be good little puppets. what ever happened to freedom.People need to stop crying and mind there own.

  9. Mike: Well, I live in Canada, so it’s not the EPA up here. Apparently it’s the Motor Vehicle Safey Act. That document claims that a motorcycle’s noise level shouldn’t exceed 82 dBA. According to this chart, that’s comparable to a traffic noise from inside a car. That’s not the noise level I’d ascribe to the Harleys I’m talking about.

    You may well be right. I’ll pay attention to see if I think it’s all Harleys which are inordinately loud, or just some.

    If you are correct, the Harley clearly has a perception problem. I expect that most people feel the way I do, that all Harleys are unacceptably loud.

  10. We can’t classify all Harley owners as asshats with obnoxious exhausts. Same with rice rocket motorcycles. I have a loud motorcycle. But for me, there’s a time and place for it. If you keep the revs low in the city, no one seems to notice. I bet it’s the same with Harleys (at least the ones with modified mufflers/exhausts.)

    What annoys me is the freakin muffler-less Harley / car owners that choose to rev it up in the city. Especially if they do it in the middle of the night. They’re not going very far before the next light will turn red. And really – how much faster do those stupid exhaust mods make your vehicle?

  11. Mike: then you’re not the asshole rider i want to peg with a can of soup, I suspect.

    I can tell the difference between a normal decibel motorcycle, and one that rattles the windows and sets off alarms and ruptures eardrums.

    Be it a harley or any other vehicle modded for extra-obnoxious, these people suck.

  12. On balance, while the loud bikes are more annoying, the Hummers are worse in the long term for human civilization.

    Has anyone tried making a hybrid Harley? That would be interesting.

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  13. Jarrett, I sent a copy of the TIME article you mentioned to the Harley-Davidson dealership that’s just down the road from where I live, and another copy to my city council. I got no written reply from either, but I like to think it had something to do with the reduced Harley traffic through this residential area (there are numerous alternate routes, as I pointed out in my letters). Prior to this I would have named Harley riders as the bigger asshats, but under the circumstances–

  14. Definitely the Hummer.

    The Harley is an irritant – it doesn’t do lasting damage as noise is temporary and not stored.

    The Hummer uses greater quantities of unsustainable resources that pollute the atmosphere with a lasting and tangible impact.

  15. Believe it or not, the loudness of the Harley is a safety feature. Motorcyclists have, in general, a difficult time with drivers not noticing them on the road and cutting them off. With the non-baffled exhaust of the Harley, the chances of a motorist not noticing your presence beside/behind them is significantly reduced, and as a result, reduces the chance of accidents.

    This isn’t to say that this is the reason Harley riders love the noise, of course, but it is a justification I have heard for it.

  16. I don’t buy the noise is necessary for the cars to notice a motorcycle. It is in how one rides. If you ride in a safe and predictable manner that guards your space then the other vehicles can’t help but notice you with or without the noise factor. I get more annoyed at cars in my blind spot then a motorcycle that I can see in my mirrors or otherwise. If I am on my bike or in my car.

  17. I am a Mother of two young boys – one aged two and one aged four months. I have on a number of occasions been so annoyed (for want of a more powerful word without swearing) by the agressive noise of an un-muffled Harley that I’ve wished I’d taken down the plate number with the aim of vandalising the bike if I could find it. And I would have if I wasn’t so busy trying to placate a screeming, terrified baby who moments before had been slumbering innocently and blissfully in the stroller as I waited for the pedestrial walk sign at a city intersection. Honestly – the noise can be so alarming and painful to an infant (and adult) that the *&^% biker may as well have come up and slapped my child. I have a friend whose child went from being a calm, relaxed baby to being highly anxious and very easily alarmed by noise after a group of un-muffled Harleys ‘attacked’ his safe world at the tender age of four months. Child and mother (new immigrants to Canada) were left clinging to each other as the mother tried to soothe her frantic, terrified baby, while five or six %^&$s on un-muffled *&^^%s took off in a race with each other from an intersection at which she was standing. The child is now ten and still scares at the slightest noise. Can anyone tell me if there is any effort on the part of law enforcement to penalise those who exceed the noise level stipulated in the Motor Vehicle Safey Act? If so, how can we as affected members of the public assist with enforcement (i.e. report)?

  18. I have lived in a very crowded apartment complex next to a Harley owner who took *great* delight in revving his engine at all hours. He worked the graveyard shift as well, and would revv it for at least 2 solid minutes before heading off to work each night. His reason for purchasing a Harley, was, among other things, for the distinctive noise that “only Harley’s have”.

    Now, having moved into a house, I live across the street from a man who, during the day, will again, revv the engine of his Harley for quite awhile, then, circle the neighborhood and resume the revving once more while parked in his driveway.

    It’s the knowledge of being a disturbance and not caring about the way it could affect others that makes these particular Harley owners an annoyance. This, to me, is in the same category of people who blast their music, roll all their windows down, and then cruise through residential areas seemingly taking delight in rattling everyone’s house windows.

  19. You know what’s more annoying than loud HDs and Humms: Cagers pulling in front of my bike talking on their cell phones…blah,blah,blah…hello …hello..YOU SEE ME?…HELLO!…why are you still pulling in front of me even though your eyes are squarely fixated on my bike?…blind as bats…

  20. Mark, I agree with you. I don’t buy the noise=safety excuse either. If they are so concerned with safety, why do they wear unapproved beanie helmets which offer no protection at all. Some Harley guy was killed yesterday in Vancouver because he was wearing one of those stupid-looking beanie hats. Natural selection I guess…

  21. Darren, I’m afraid to say that I’d exonerate both Harley and Hummer, and go for the user of the bizarre (and presumably PC) concoction “asshat” over the entirely more satisfactory, historical, and fittingly utilitarian “asshole”.

    (or, preferably, “arsehole”, but you North Americans rule the world these days, so I can’t complain too much)


  22. Forget all the reasoning. Like some others in society, Harley riders putting on loud exhausts just dont care about anyone but themselves. Asking them to respond to calls for reasonableness, consideration and the like, is just to project your own values onto them which they are clearly demonstrating they are not interested. They simply dont care what you think, they are too preoccupied with their narcissistic fantasies which above all involve them being the centre of attention. Like any other egotist, they will only respond to the law or other disincentive bigger than their chosen pleasure.
    That’s why its a pity the police have done so little. They waited until the summer was almost over before going on a ticketing ‘blitz’ for high noise levels (havent read anything on results yet). Problem is the ticket is $109, and the exhausts cost $1000+ So in the rare case of getting caught, they’ll just pay the fine as a minor irritant and keep on revving. After all they’ve paid $20K+ for the pleasure of all this. Until bikes are either impounded, or forced to attend a police station within 30days with the exhaust corrected – as in other countries – well, dont expect anything to change. Personally, I think the VPD will fail to deliver, this is just the minimum they could do after hundreds of complaints. And pressure for resources means they nearly always go for the minimum. Expect the rainy season to do a much better job at damping down the sound of loud exhausts.

  23. You know what’s more annoying than loud pipes on Harley’s and Hummer’s? People who consider all Harley riders assholes while talking on their cell phones in traffic.

  24. Whaddaya all whining about? The sound of a Harley is music – the louder the better.

  25. I think the biggest fucking asshats are the wannabee fast and the furious street racers listening to their ground pounding stereos talking on cell phones

  26. “loud pipes save lives” i have that patch on the back of my vest just for you and your think-alikes, and they have saved mine 3 times now. in every instance the cage (auto) driver did not see me, was about to pull directly into my path and tuened their head when they heard me. I will quiet my Harley down when everyone stats “seeing motorcycles” oh and by the way even from a non rider viewpoint the hummer is worse, here is why: it is making an quiet impact on all of us as a whole through the gas guzzling motor, the fauna crushing wheels, no emissions (yes trucks are exempt from testing in most states and my loud harley still had to pass)and the fact that it will kill everyone in an economy car in a collision. I noticed most people were choosing the Asshat simply out of selfishness, just what bothered them and not what hurt us all more as a whole, even the asshats. to me the worst choice is always the one that caters to the fewest people. i dont like rice racer cars with loud thumping stereos, but i will defend the owners right to have one, this is america. thank you for an interesting topic on a blog i stumbled acroos.

  27. oh i got forgot the most important part, the guys that ride those loud harleys, and the guys that play those loud rock guitars, seem to get all the coolest chicks. no science, just experience, hahahahha.

    p.s. judging by the number of accountants and lawers throwin on the leather on saturdays, my life is one of the favorite fantasy’s of the “tie weain’ button down crowd”

  28. dude, loud pipes save lives.
    I know for a fact, that when I am cruising on a busy hiway and some chick is doing her makeup changing lanes, one blip of my throttle and they know I am there.
    You have to remember, we get hit and we are dead, pretty big price to pay for enjoying freedom.
    If I ride my Harley conservatively, the noise offends no one, if I get aggressive rolling on the throttle, the bike begs to be seen, and will be seen because of the noise getting ones attention.
    I don’t like attention, quite frankly, but if I am doing 80 MPH and some retard just so much as even touches me, I am done for.
    I have survived 27 years of riding, and had some close calls, every one of them were because I wasn’t seen. or “heard”
    common, have you ever been in a fender bender, everyone has, well try it on a motorcycle, you loose legs and stuff here man!
    I will be as loud as mechanically possible, illegal or not.
    So with all due respect, I felt I had to make my point clear.
    Please respect that guy you see cruising on the hiway enjoying life, and him knowing how easy it is to loose.
    The risk of riding in general, is worth the reward, but I will always do whatever possible lower the odds of injury or death, it is human nature.

  29. You are a intelectual Snob .
    You judge people by what they ride or drive , but know nothing about them , their lifestyle or there culture.
    I am presuming that you have never riden a Road bike or let alone a Harley on the roads , with every arsehat including IT proffessionals with their pen holders, glasses as thick as coke bottles , listening to barry manalow and not concentrating on the road , but thinking about playboy centre folds or happily masterbating about the next program microsoft is going to release to make normal working class peoples lives hell and IT nerds in their glory.
    Before you stereo type how about you actually get out from behind the screen and actually hop on one and try it ( game software doesnt count either) .
    Then if you think loud pipes and the love of riding is still crap by all means , but until then dont knock something you have never done.

    and by the way , I ride a sports bike , not a harley.

  30. Dear Darren

    If you think a Harley has loud pipes, just to annoy you and your ilk, then please block your sensitive ears when I go past on my Moto Guzzi Cali 3 (referred to by many of the great unwashed as the ‘Woghog’). Now since I dispensed with the balance box and mufflers, I have achieved an almost orgasmic note, which truly takes me to the heights of ecstacy when I back off at speed. Since removing the mufflers, I have never found the need to masturbate.
    Tunnels in Perth, Sydney and Adelaide have been provided just for me to scare the shit out of unsuspecting motorists.
    Get out of my way, sonny. Here comes some real machinery.

  31. You Darren are the optitomy of a frontal albotomy, or a hemeroid, use you brain and pull yer head outa ya arse and get a life and in doing so I hope you get deafened by a bike with loud pipes or hit by a humber…..

  32. Your a tool ya yuppie looking cockwad wannabe…

    take 1 look at ya hows the rendered 2 storey appartment going..

    hahah Harley riders will tell you what they think also intimidated by that hey ?

    Keep hiding behind your college degree and your webpage pretty boy. Im sure some guy out there will be your perfect match.


  33. Welcome to Harley fans from OzBiker.org. Feel free to hurl insults, but I’m actually interested in your perspective. Do you think many people are bothered by the noise your bikes make? If so, does it matter to you?

    Also, do you intentionally modify your Harleys to make them louder than the factory defaults? If so, why? I think most people would agree that they’re great to look at, but not everybody (judging by the comments above, at least) digs the sound they make.

    Also, I’m curious about the ‘noise saves lives’ theory which a couple of Harley riders have offered. Does anybody have any studies or media reports about this? I curious if there’s any reports that demonstrate that Harley riders in accidents less often than those riding quieter bikes?

  34. Do you think many people are bothered by the noise your bikes make? If so, does it matter to you?

    There is truth in the saying that “loud pipes, saves lives” Often people driving cars are too interested in knowing that there is a bike around them.
    They can often hear the bike before they see the rider. And as such this is a safty issue. If pissing a few people off saves my life, so that I can get home safely to my wife and children then so be it.

    Also, do you intentionally modify your Harleys to make them louder than the factory defaults? If so, why?

    Yes, once again it is both a safety issue, and a perfomance issue. if a idiot in a car has an accident, then they get a smashed car.
    if that said idiot cage driver hits a bike, it could mean death, or worst.

    i have had quiet bikes over the years, and been cut off, pushed off the road etc. I now prefer to ride a safer bike, and be able to get home to my kids.

    Also, I’m curious about the ‘noise saves lives’ theory which a couple of Harley riders have offered. Does anybody have any studies or media reports about this? I curious if there’s any reports that demonstrate that Harley riders in accidents less often than those riding quieter bikes?

    Like I have said, I have witnessed this myself. I dont need to see any reports to know that I have been saved several times by the drivers around me knowing that somewhere near them is a bike.

    My last bike bike was a quiet bike. I cant recall ever riding it, even once that I was cut off, pushed off the road or even targeted by Clowns in their cars.
    Since riding a noisy bike, I can become more relaxed and enjoy the ride.

    Majority if the accidents involving cars and bikes. have had the drivers saying that they couldnt see the bike.
    Now they dont have an excuse, they can hear that a bikes is near.

  35. I have to admit I disagree with the loud pipes save lives. It, in fact, costs them.

    I ride an unmuffled bike so the noise masks the shots from my 9mm Browning during ride by shooting.

    Get lots of yuppies that way.

    Oh by the way, you left the door open, so I came in. Want me to shut it on the way out?

  36. Biker Says:
    September 16th, 2006 at 7:43 pm

    I have to admit I disagree with the loud pipes save lives. It, in fact, costs them

    What do you ride? i bet its something japanese. 😛

  37. – The vast majority of bike accidents are from the front. To have any chance of alerting those motorists to the presence of a motorcycle with exhaust noise would require that the tailpipe be pointed forward. LOL. The chances of rearward-facing straight pipes making a bike more obvious are very slim. The reality of the loud pipe is that all you’ll succeed in doing is irritating all the people behind and beside you who don’t pose much of a threat anyway.
    – You are pissing off everyone around you. So who cares if you gun the throttle past an open driver’s-side window and scare the hell out of the occupants? At least they see you, right? Maybe, but take a look at what happened to personal watercraft in Minnesota. They’ve effectively been relegated to the daylight hours so that residents and other users of lakes can have their quiet time. Take a look at what happened in Yellowstone. Put it another way: how much do you appreciate the “music” blaring from other people’s cars: the throbbing car stereo that shakes the very ground with some indistinguishable bass crap? How interested in someone else’s music are you? Perhaps nobody else wants to listen to it. Perhaps they don’t like the sound. Maybe they’re trying to concentrate, or talk, or watch TV, or sleep. Maybe their kids are trying to sleep.
    – Loud exhaust pipes are illegal. Even HD has finally stopped installing them.

    If you are really concerned about saving lives, a $30.00 reflective safety vest will save your biscuit a thousand times before that four-into-one will.

  38. That is the case with quiet bikes, you can only hear them from behind.

    Harley with a loud pipe can be heard forwards, sideways shit even up on a hill.

    HD stopped installing them for the simple fact of noise laws. They even advised in the handbook to replace the pipes.

  39. Sean – you the know all, see all monkey around here?

    I don’t ride fucking jap crap. I ride real iron man – and I’m heading your way with loud pipes, one up the spout and 14 in the mag to ventilate you.

  40. This is the biggest bunch of mess I have ever heard. Yes, the Harley has more sound, but the Hummer gets about 10mpg and the Harley gets about 50mpg. So do you want to hear a good sound, or do you want to pay $5.00 a gal for gas because of the “Hummers”?

  41. I don’t ride fucking jap crap. I ride real iron man – and I’m heading your way with loud pipes, one up the spout and 14 in the mag to ventilate you.

    And you dislike loud pipes?

    Going to tear me a new ass, well 15 of them heh.
    Oh well shit happens.
    I thought you were someone else, that does ride jap crap. LOL.

  42. In response to Ron.
    The highest majority of Non- Fatal accidents are caused by Cars moving over on bikes. (failer to adequatley do headchecks or use mirrors.)

    Then for Fatal accidents are front on.( failure to look properly, these are both the fault of the car driver Re: stats swann insurance on finds motorcyclist responsable in 7% of 2 vehicle collisions).

    So Having loud pipes DOES alert these ignorant car drivers that their is a bike beside them, thus preventing accidents.

    now for your noise issue.
    Firstly , Noise actually does travel forward of the bike and most people hear the bike before they see it especially in conjested traffic.

    Secondly, Car manafactured these day have a “cone of silance” with in the cabin , newer cars have higher sound deadening than older cars of the early 90’s.

    Most bikes with after market pipes range between 93-100dB , which take a truck with exshaust brakes is higher than that , yes also these idiot Riceboys with there music, airplanes, building sites , rock concerts etc etc.
    You will also find that certain bikes exshausts are loud because of the note , not the volume. ( ie the bass in these people who ‘s car thump at the traffic lights).

    Do you also complain when a ambulance , police car or fire truck pass’s your house or you on the road (110dB + sirens) ?

    Now why are there sirens so loud , to warn traffic of there where abouts , do you ever think or ask the question why they are so loud?
    because car are becoming more capsulated and sound proof as i previously mentioned.

    loud pipes do save lives , i experiance it everyday driving in traffic and know from 1st hand experiance, the only people who are against loud pipes are envoirment , noise polution fanatics and if they had there way we would be all driving electric cars and you would never be able to own a gas guzzling V8 monster.

    Reflective vests do not save lives in motorcyclists , this is a fact .
    Motorcycle were once manafacturered with headlights that were permantly on whilst the bike was running , now if you cant see a 100 watt halegen headlight beading down on you at night how can you say they will see a vest.

    On that issue , these new LED lights for brakes and blinkers , high visability and brightness and goverments and coppers try and legislate against having them and book riders for placing them on there bikes……go figure.

    If you think pipes dont make a differance , ask a motorcycle copper how many times he has been nearly knocked of his bike when he has had lights and sirens on while wearing there reflective police vest ?

  43. Anyone that thinks having a protective vest on has his head up his ass, I had a SUV pull out in front of me from a stop sign. There are 5 lights on the front of the bike, If they dont see that many lights whats a vest going to do? And yes Loud pipes do save lives. If they dont see you they will at least hear it.

  44. Sean, I ride a japper and be fucked if it aint louder than your harley…. I hope you got 15 ear rings to fit the holes LOL

  45. Hey stupid…Were you complaining about the noise when the hummer was securing you freedom in this country?? You are such an IDIOT

  46. # shrek Says:
    September 16th, 2006 at 11:06 pm

    Sean, I ride a japper and be fucked if it aint louder than your harley…. I hope you got 15 ear rings to fit the holes LOL

    Yea, thought it was you haha. Now im gonna leak like a Triumph.

  47. Dont be sending any of ya fuckwit mates over to Ozbiker.

    As for the thread topic, the biggest asshats are the blindarse cage drivers who are the cause of motorbike accidents.

  48. ok just my 2 cents but pipe are a lifesaver when you hace a hron that goes beep beep and the nut in the car has his or her cellphone or the radio so loud they could not hear a train .whats this little beep beep going to do? (nothing) and its not like you can hit the center of the wheel to sound the hore it is just a little button on the grip next to the blinker and light and a few more little buttons to grab the clutch and rap the pipes if safer and louder then the beep beep of the horn most folks don’t even see us till they hear us .

  49. Interesting to read all the people who don’t know much about motorcycles and who are so ready to prejudice a whole community of riders because of a few “asshats”.

    Yes of course, I’m a motorcyclist. I own 4 Harley’s. With one exception, all have modified exhaust. But it’s not the straight drag pipes you guys are complaining about. Yes, it’a little louder than stock. Mine sound more like a well tuned big block Chevy than a Testors engine airplane.

    There are extremists in every activity. It’s not just Harley’s with loud exhaust, it’s Hondas, Yamahas, Suzukis, and even some of these cars with modified exhaust.

    Having said this, even drag pipes are not that loud unless the owner rips the throttle. And there are people out there like that. But not all of us.

    To the person who pointed out an apparent hypocrasy to bikers whining about safety but yet wearing non-approved beanie helmets. Well, if the “cagers” (car driving people) paid attention to what they were doing, there’d be no need to wear a helmet at all now would there?

    Which leads me to, what is absolutely worse, the Harley/Hummer, or the increasing safety measures in cars that cause drivers not to seem to care if they get in an accident or not? And the increasing dirver distractions, i.e. cell phones, stereos, GPS’s, etc that prevent rivers from looking at the road.

    It’s surprising though and very dissapointing to hear someone “intellectual” group a class of people and judge all of them based on the actions of a few “Asshats”. Sort of sounds like prejudice or stereotyping or just plain ignorance doesn’t it?

  50. Horizon: Thanks for answering my questions and links to those articles. I’ll check them out. Hopefully in the next 10 or 15 years cars will be equipped with detection systems that prevent most of the accidents you describe.

    The difference, I think, between the motorcycle and the ambulance/fire engine/police car is that they’re only on for a short time, and serve a specific purpose. A loud motorcycle is always loud, regardless of whether it’s in danger or not.

    For example–I’m totally speculating here–if a motorcycle was only loud when it was about to get hit (through, say, some kind of detection system), I wouldn’t have any complaint. Of course, that’s unlikely to magically appear in the near future.

    I should also clarify that my complaint is only about bikes in the city. I have no beef with their volume anywhere else, because it impacts very few people. And my noise concern isn’t just about Harleys–I feel the same way about cars with ridiculously loud and bass-driven stereos.

  51. This is the funniest thing I’ve seen in a while. A guy named Barefoot, with a pic of himself wearing a hat that makes him look like an ass, complaining about Harley riders and calling them asshats. You must be a barrel laughs around the girls. I’ve got a Fatboy, modified the exhaust, intake, power commander etc… I ride it responsibly in neighborhoods, in traffic, around children. You shouldn’t lump all Harley riders into one asshat group Darren. I wouldn’t lump every guy who spends his life complaining on his own website into one group. Get a life and take off that stupid hat ass.

  52. I’ve deleted a few posts because they didn’t add anything to the conversation. That’s generally my comments policy (which I must dig up)–if a comment has nothing constructive to add to the debate (like, for example, Horizon and Mungo above), I may delete it.

  53. You know what? I seem to have upset some people with this post, and I apologize for that. I wrote it because I was frustrated by the noise pollution that I think Harley Davidson motorcycles cause (and the sundry other kinds of pollution that Hummers cause).

    It’s apparent that people feel passionate on both sides of this issue. Clearly I’ve offended people, and so I’m sorry.

    I am happy that, among the insults, there has been some genuine discussion about the topic, and some ideas exchanged.

    Speaking personally, nobody has changed my mind about the volume of Harleys, but the reading on the idea that ‘loud pipes save lives’ has been informative.

    I am really curious to hear some Harley riders to respond to the questions I posed about. In particular, “Do you think many people are bothered by the noise your bikes make? If so, does it matter to you?” That, to me, is the fundamental issue, and what prompted my post in the first place.

  54. Do you think many people are bothered by the noise your bikes make? If so, does it matter to you?

    Yes, Im aware that my bike is loud and that annoys people.
    Does it matter to me??
    Not for a minute, if pissing people off means I can get home to my family. Then I dont give a rats arse who It pisses off.

  55. All harley riders have loud pipes to compansate for the low IQ that they have…they dont call them ape hangers for nothing..

    1. I have 2 harleys (both with loud exhausts) 2 degrees and 2 Post graduate qualifications. I am a lecturer at a UK university. I would be VERY interested to find out what evidence you have to support your assertion.

  56. I respect the fact that everybody has their own opinions, but us H3 owners consistantly get between 18 to 20 MPG which is better then alot of sports cars and luxury sport sedans out there, but you don’t hear people complaining about the gas mileage coming from those. A H2 does not get as good of mileage and of course neither does the H1, but if you are going to complain about SUVs, don’t single out Hummer just because it’s Hummer, but you can stereotype and classify AL large SUVs out there. Some people actually use them for what they are meant to be used for. I am a motorcycle rider and own two, a sport bike and a cruiser. I know many Harley owners, and none of them could care what other’s think of their looks. They care about what the bike looks like to themselves. They are not trying to impress anybody. They love their bikes, the same way someone may love their car. Everybody has something they are proud of. Yes, there are some Harley owners out there, as well as Hummer owners, that use them as a status symbol, but you can’t go stereotyping and generalize all Harley owners or all Hummer owners as using their vehicles as status symbols. I bought my H3 so I can take it off-roading and go on road trips. I could care less who sees it or who thinks what about it. As far as it being an eyesore, that is your personal opinion which is fine, but it isn’t made to look pretty. It was made to go off-roading, take it OUT of the cramped city and actually see the rest of the country which is more then just city streets and Starbucks on every corner. There’s more to life then the city, and ironically enough, it’s always the City people critisizing the Hummers and Harleys, when it is the Hummer and Harley owners that truely appreciate this great country by taking the time to see it, instead of watching it on TV and bitching about it. But by saying that, I would be just as bad and stereotyping city people. Funny how I live in the city. Oh well, I guess I’m just a hypocrit, and can’t spell no less.

  57. Everyone that slams harley riders has never ridden one. I’ll bet most of you that hate them would shit your pants if faced with the challenge of getting on one and riding it on a busy street or highway. Conquering that fear is very liberating.

    Have you ever done something just for fun? Ever go sky diving, scuba diving, mountain climbing, 4 wheel off roading or anything else that is entirely unnecessary but fun? Your idea of fun is watching reruns of the golden girls while drinking your wine spritzer. Riding a Harley is just plain fun. Exhilarating and exciting.

    I challenge you to go take a rider safety course, then see what you think about motorcycles. They provide the bikes, helmets, everything else you need. Try not to shit your pants.

  58. The thing about both Hummers and loud Harleys is they’re completely unnecessary. In the case of the Hummer, it’s basically a rolling tribute to decadence and image at the expense of global health. Just go all the way and club some baby seals. The Harleys, on the other hand, don’t have to be that loud. It’s an attention ploy and nothing more. Whereas the Hummer screams “my ego is more important than the welfare of my species,” the Harley screams.. almost literally.. “my ego is more important than my or your hearing.”

    It’s just pointless.

    On a side note, my dad who used to work as a BMW motorcycle mechanic always had an amusing ditty about newly-purchased HDs.

    “Harley, Harley, made of tin. Ride it out and push it in.”

  59. You guys amaze me with your pros and cons. To each their own…We live in a rat race to nowhere. Some in Hummers others on HOGS. Now get this, Harley still meets EPA standards and sell only USA EPA bikes in Canada. If you choose to change your pipes then you risk the chance of a ticket. Mileage wise… a Harley is one of the best MPG bikes made (touring Models). To any biker who doesn’t like the look, you choose the ride you like or can afford. To SUV people they choose what they like or can afford. Get over the characteristics associated with each and live your lives the best you can. Smile and wave to the guy who burns more gas then you or to the loud biker who is wearing ear plugs.

  60. The End of the “Loud Pipes Save Lives” Argument.

    Harley Rider: “If my bike wasn’t loud, it would be more dangerous for me. I could get hit by a car that didn’t see me”

    Response: No one is forcing you to ride a motorcycle- That is a risk that you decided to take.

    THOUSANDS of people are annoyed every day and have their quality of life deteriorated just for your added safety. They have no choice.

    Yes, this is America and the freedom of thousands of people to live their lives in peace comes before the freedom of one Harley Rider who doesn’t care about other people.

    – mike (a quiet motorcycle rider)

  61. “Loud pipes save lives”

    People have already pointed out this is horseshit, the noise is projected backward while many or most accidents are caused from striking things head on.

    But besides that, there is an obvious point that needs mentioning.

    It’s a motorcycle. If you decide to ride one, you should know what you are getting yourself into.

    When a sack of rippable flesh and breakable bone rides largely unprotected at traffic and highway speed among cars and trucks, nasty accidents are going to happen. Afraid of being in one? Then you are a fake ass pussy wannabe who should’t be riding a bike in the first place. It’s obviously a dangerous thing to do; the rest of us shouldn’t have to pay for your inability to understand that.

  62. # Rhinebank Says:
    November 4th, 2006 at 2:40 pm

    “Loud pipes save lives”

    People have already pointed out this is horseshit, the noise is projected backward while many or most accidents are caused from striking things head on.

    But besides that, there is an obvious point that needs mentioning.

    It’s a motorcycle. If you decide to ride one, you should know what you are getting yourself into.

    When a sack of rippable flesh and breakable bone rides largely unprotected at traffic and highway speed among cars and trucks, nasty accidents are going to happen. Afraid of being in one? Then you are a fake ass pussy wannabe who should’t be riding a bike in the first place. It’s obviously a dangerous thing to do; the rest of us shouldn’t have to pay for your inability to understand that.

    You want to be heard use you OEM factory installed HORN it is loud and you will notice it has a higher tone than most cars .hell get a bigger horn, Put your damn lights on as well.Dont tail gate or lane split WTF’s with that.
    Oh and them there black leathers really make you more noticable.
    No I don’t ride . I used too but the risks are there …moreso than my cage.I look at it this way you make a mistake/they make a misstake your toast.
    The noise that some NOT ALL of the bikes/cars..(thier both guilty) make are ridiculous. Most of the time the noise is created by the hard acceleration of the engine . If they did not carank the darn thing wide open it would almost be acceptable.
    And yes we all have 2 things in this life we are intitled to …An opinion and an asshole …..Merry Christmas to all!!!!!!

  63. Very interesting, all the bitching and moaning, my best guess is that the people so indignant can neither afford a Harley or Hummer and are just ole farts or typical mama’s boys. Get a life, from a harley rider with wind in your hair and sun on your face and a rumble between your legs is not a bad thing.

  64. It is interesting that pro-noise commenters respond to almost every argument except that of young children being (understandably) scared of the noise. But it´s just not that cool to tell those kids can go f*** themselves, is it?

    I´m lucky my kids can take just about any noise. When my boy was 1yo he was asleep on a terrace next to 2 touringcars, 5 feet from their engines, they both started and let them run stationary for 10 minutes…. and he slept like a rose.

  65. It’s not a matter of ‘if’ but a matter of ‘when’ you are going to crash. Use your horn or you will end up looking like the people on that page.

    Frankly I think anyone who rides a bike is an idiot.

  66. Bloop, bloop, BLOOP BLOOP BLOOOOMMMM! I’m so cool. I love irritating people, been doing it since the 4th grade. I dropped out in the 5th grade, so I could smoke weed 24/7. Kids love my bike! They lick the plug wires sometimes. I’m so cool. I gotta go, my mom’s calling from upstairs.

  67. What’s all the fuss about Hummers? There are plenty of other large SUV’s on the road that are just as big or just as bad for MPG. As a matter of fact, look at the MPG between an H3 and a Jeep liberty, barely a noticeable difference. Since when did people have the right to start judging a vehicles size all of a sudden. I don’t have a Hummer but I do own an FJ Cruiser, which is just as big and sucks premium fuel. Sometimes I use it to get wine at the market, other times I have two 15 ft kayaks on there; sometimes a few bikes or my boat. We all share the road with vehicles of all sizes. I don’t like semi trucks or Harleys, but they are part of life- or in your case, something to bitch about. And what’s the difference between a Hummer owner who drives 10 miles to work ever day compared the Prius driver who goes 80? Who’s really sucking down the gas? Big SUV’s, arguably safer, better in the snow, better for people with kayaks, bikes, boats, lots of kids and so on.
    If your going to bitch about vehicles, stop centering on Hummer and please add my FJ as well as a few dozen other big SUV’s. And after that go after big boats and then big houses too. Might as well add jet liner vacation trips.

  68. At least a Harley rider does not have time to talk on their cell phone, drink their Starbuck’s, play with their stereo (or favourite electronic device), smoke their cigarettes, and possibly yell at their kids before they drop them off at school.

    BOTTOM LINE: If you drive a four wheel vehicle, you have more distractions. If you ride a Harley, you are more concerned about getting home to see your wife and family.

    If you drive a hummer, stop whining and keep your eyes (and ears) on the road!

  69. Thanks for voicing opinions that I was beginning to think only I had.

    I lived in Milwaukee (home of the toy for the fifty-year old infant) for ten years and, every time I complained about the outrageous noise assaults, I’d routinely get looks of disdain and withering comments about being a pansy.

    I’m not an idiot and it’s insulting to have someone screaming at you (to be heard above the Harley din) that the decibel levels must be OK because you never see a Harley rider getting a noise violation ticket.

    I’ve worked in very loud, industrial environments my entire career and very few processes (necessarily noisy) even come close to producing the ear-splitting cacophony of a full-throttled Harley Davidson engine.

    I’m fed up with having to avoid places I used to enjoy (river-fronts, public parks, etc.) because packs of megalomaniacal, attention-starved pseudo-adults on inferior machinery refuse to behave like adults.

    What ever became of common courtesy?


    Dave desRochers

  70. Amen Dave! Common courtesy died long ago. It got run over by a gang of Harley riders.

    The world would be better without those obnoxious beasts. I’m not sure if I’m talking about the bike or the people who ride them. 😉 For me, Harley drivers fall into the same category as skate boarders. I’m sure there are some nice ones, but there are so many more idiots, I just throw the baby out with the bathwater. The bathwater is so stinking dirty, it killed the baby.

    I had a Honda bike drive by me the other day, thing was as quiet as any car I ever heard. I wanted to pull over at the next intersection and hug the guy for driving a quiet and considerate bike.

  71. I ride a Honda. I like it because it is quiet, quieter than most cars like someone said.
    My bud, had to get a harley. And had to get the loud (and $$$) pipes. I can’t even ride with him now unless I am way behind or ahead. A few miniutes is about all I can handle of that racket.

    Yeah it is all about the “look at me I have a harley” thing. In traffic you don’t hear them anyway until they are past you so whats the point? As bad a ‘professional’ truck drivers with their jake brakes.

  72. A lot of you “loud-pipe” riders think you’re doing the world a favour by “toning it down” in the cities. There are hudreds of us living on rural highways (30/30 curves) that listen to at least 1 very loud motorcycle every 30 seconds go by in the summer. I used to love summer. I can’t wait till it snows. I wish the roads had snow and ice 12 months of the year!!!

  73. I am a harley owner and never thaught that the noise would annoy all you assholes so much. Now I am going to get louder pipes for my bike to really piss you cock suckers off. Don’t get mad at us because your bitch mother wouldn’t let you have a motorcycle. Go hop in your volkswagon bug and rush to your ballet class you pussy no fun having bastards.

    1. CAT D

      RIGHT ON! Well said, These shitheads live a fantasy life, They want a fucking utopia. I served my country and now disabled, I RIDE A HARLEY FXSTC with Straight pipes it has saved my ass several times

      If they dont like it ,they can go live in Afghanistan or Iraq, you Fucking granola munchin oxygen thieves


  74. Hi, I am 17 years old, got my motorcycles liscence, and bought a 1973 HARLEY DAVIDSON with drag pipes (the loudest i could get.) I bought this bike to piss you bare foot, tree hugging, mango suckin, skids off. You guys are so tough sitting in your armchair right now, step inside the nearest biker bar and say that…I might not be all educated like you…but i know a true asshole when i see one…a guy who is dissing the best culture on two wheels.These bikes helped provided you ballet slipper wearin skids with athing called FREEDOM. Comesay Harleys are loud to my face…I WILL MESS YOU UP

  75. oh, reading what you said, makes me want to go tear down the street rate now, set off some car alarms, and wake you ganja smokin hippies up! WAKEY WAKEY HERE COMES TO BOOGIE MAN O HIS BIG BAD HARLEY…HAHAHA..sleep with one eye open

  76. Go Dylan. I find it hard to believe how you pompus suburban assholes believe you have the right to tell people how much noise they are allowed to make. Enjoy the Suburban/HGTV standard of life you’ve chosen, with your granola, yoga and Dr. Phil. But dont believe you have any understanding of what its like to live. I’ve got my Harley, and thats all I need.

  77. I think the genuine question is, Who’s the bigger asshat?; a.(The Harley Rider), b.(The Hummer Driver), or c.(Darren Barefoot). If you answered (c),(Darren Barefoot), congradulations!, you were correct. What a “stupid son of a bitch” that guy is. Get a life Darren!

  78. Cadillac: You know, I don’t normally respond to trolls like yourself, but I’ll make an exception because I was so amused by your comment:

    You spelled ‘congratulations’ wrong.

    You might want to be more cautious in dishing out adjectives like ‘stupid’. You might also want to review some basic rules of punctuation.

  79. Darren, I apologize about my stupid comments. I was drunk and mad that evening and I guess I was just looking for a release or something stupid like that. But I’m sorry man. It was uncalled for.

  80. Dylan with his threats and arrogance is exactly what this post is about. “Comesay Harleys are loud to my face…I WILL MESS YOU UP”. Thanks Dylan, you have provided a perfect example. Go have another bud light and beat up your wife, or your dog, or your boyfriend, or whatever.

    1. Seriously…with this comment how are you any different than Dylan?? You act like anyone riding a Harley is uneducated? I ride a Harley, drive a Jag, have a Master’s degree, paid for by you (full academic scholarship) and I am American, land of the free…FREE to ride a Harley with loud pipes, and not conform to the “norm” to be accepted. I’m educated, free spirited and love life….I’m thinking you must not love your life to beat down others. If you loved life, seeing other people doing what they love, should make you happy! Try again….

  81. Halreys are loud? Thats is your complaint, give me a break. how about most drivers try to multi-task, read books, put make up on, talk on the phone, feed their kids, brush their hair, shave, listen to audio books, etc etc etc. so much so that they engrossed in their own lives and the only people they care about are themselves. Harley riders only care about themselves give me a break. i have seen more harley riders at charity events in my community than any other group. they have built 6 playgrounds for kids in my community and have raised hundreds of thousand of dollars for charities annually, by the way the money for the playgrounds was raised by the people that ride harleys. I am pretty sure these folk do more for the community than you will ever dream of. as far as the loud pipes are concerned if it keeps em from being nailed by some driver listenign to an audiobook then thank god. find something to really complain about next time.

  82. My Harley is LOUD!!!

    So in the morning I push the 700lb FXSTC Softail Custom uphill from my alley to the street, around the corner, then coast downhill. Then I fire it up.

    During the day, off residential streets, I indulge. It’s music to my ears. And in my experience, I can get a driver’s attention by blipping the throttle.

    I track my fuel consumption religiously. 25 mpg city, 50 mpg highway. My total average is 33.9 mpg.

    I can also attest to the “babe magnet” factor. I’ve been riding for over a decade on all sorts of bikes. Didn’t buy the Harley for attention; I just outgrew the Honda sportbike and wanted something to cruise on. I gave over 20 girls a ride in the first month, which is probably more than asked me on all my other bikes combined. I have since lost track. It really is a good ice breaker.

    And by the way, an F-18 consumes no gasoline. (probably JP-5)

  83. lordy screamin…. did the girls know fore hand that there was a “customary charge” for Harley rides???????

    and nemo or nimrod….before “peggin” some ride with a can of soup not the smartest thing to try.

  84. oooooooooooo and Dave… you meet the nicest folks on honda’s …. you two may have hit it off real well and moved in together then one of you woulda needed a muffler for your discharge chute………

  85. All the Harley haters are shitheads that drive the BMWs and cut everybody off car or bike because there to busy on thier cellphones

  86. Your rebuttals to the people who insult you in thier comments comes off as “I just want to understand you”. Bullshit – your post insults Harley riders and Hummer drivers from the title on. Who’s the bigger asshat? You are. I spent less time picking out the drag pipes on my chopper than you did on the lame assed color scheme on this nerd show you call a blog. The next time I see some pathetic sack walking down the street listening to an audiobook on his iPod I’ll be sure to tweak the throttle a bit and make him jump. ROFLMAOWTF!!?1!

  87. Darren, I’m willing to bet you and your boyfriend have never even ridden a motorcyle before. You should give it a try. Go buy yourselves a pink electric motor scooter to ride to your girly man bar on. Be sure its electric so it won’t make any noise or polute the air. And cadillac, don’t apologize to “twinkle toe darren”. He deserves what you said because he is obviously an uninformed idiot. Darren if you don’t understand the motorcyle culture don’t insult the good warm hearted people who ride them with your “asshat” comments. You made a good word for yourself. And that’s “asshat” Its people like you that need to get out of this country because it is a free country and you obviously don’t know anything about freedom. Get your head out of the gutter “twinkle toes”. This is America and not the country that you and your boyfriend came from which is probably a communist one. You are a low life asshole and thats all I have to say. Have fun on your pink electric scooter with your boyfriend. Harley riders are much better people than you could ever even dream to be.

  88. The article was in Nature (not Time) and the exact quote was: “A motorcycle with a broken silencer crossing Paris in the early hours can wake up a quarter of a million people.” with no reference to an actual assessment.

  89. F*** the asshat Harley riders that are taking over Milwaukee this weekend like a bunch of roaches!!!! I dare you to think that you and your drag queen fat ass girlfriend/boyfriend/wife who is hanging their fat ass off the back of their bike to cut me off or think you have the right of way, because I will put you under my car. Harley riders go home!!! Freedom of speech that asshats!!!

  90. Dang, You aren’t in a bad mood are you HatetheHarleyasshats. What did bikers do to you to make you so upset with them. They are good people. When you see a thousand roring harleys riding down the road that is usually a charity ride to raise money for cancer patients and disabled children in need. You probably think they are a bunch of people that are up to no good but your wrong. They are far from “roaches” and that’s pretty low down to say you would put them under your car when they are probably on there way to save a life by participating in that charity event, but what you said doesn’t suprise me because you are obviously an illiterate individual. What is “Freedom of speech that asshats”. If you can’t write you more than likely are too stupid to ride a bike so don’t talk shit about them in this blog. Go out there and say that to their face you coward. You won’t like the outcome if you live to see it. Get your gay lover Darren to help you with your grammar also. And don’t be so jealous just because your dumbass can’t ride a bike gay boy. And to all you harley riders. Let freedom reign and keep them pipes loud to make gay shitheads like the one above live a short stressed out life!

  91. “I think the biggest fucking asshats are the wannabee fast and the furious street racers listening to their ground pounding stereos talking on cell phones”

    I agree 100%. The solution is to get yourself a big rock and throw it at them when they drive by. Just tell them you were trying to get their attention. =)

  92. You are playing an old, old game here. Pick a divisive issue, point at the perpetrators as suffering from penis-envy, get those hits, and build a constituency. The newspapers are full of “opinion” columnists (S. Keen, Edmonton Journal) who share these substandard ethics. Did you actually put any effort into this or did you just fiddle with sentence structure in a relatively lazy attempt to mask your plagiarism?

    Yes, I ride a Harley-Davidson. I ride a BMW and a Husqvarna as well. All are un-modified, all are maintained, all are quiet, and all are Transport Canada approved.

    No, I am most assuredly not playing a “peculiar and expensive game of dress-up” as you mistakenly believe. What I’m doing is living my life and letting you live yours. I won’t make the mistake of trying to justify my legal behavior to you or anyone else for that matter. You do not appear to have the intellectual capacity necessary to override your bias.

    You didn’t happen to notice that the Google Ads running across the top and down the sides of your worthless ‘article’ are focused on selling loud pipes did you? No? I do believe it is YOU who are part of the problem. Nice job.

  93. I quote: “…we traded our little Chevy Metro for an enormous, 18-year-old Dodge Ram 150, complete with cab on the back.”

    Huh? You operate an 18-year old RAM pickup yet call Hummer drivers asshats?

    Nice job.

  94. Darren, I went through one of your advertisement listings at the top of this page and got linked to (motorcycleproshop.com) and got a great deal on some Vance and Hines Pipes. There super loud. I couldn’t even get that good of a deal on ebay. Thank you Darren.

  95. Geez. What a bunch of foul mouthed I’m better than you pricks. Somebody’s got some serious “I’m undereducated and mad that somebody else is more educated and makes more money than I do” mojo. Not all Harley riders are asshats, I’m kind of surprised people like this even know to type or how to use a computer ;P Quit riding like retards and maybe you’ll stop getting near sideswiped.

  96. Wow way to sterotype everyone, and show a good maturity level. I’m not a harley owner…yet I ride a Honda and I am still suprisingly offeneded by this tripe,.I’m assuming that everyone in the blog here is adult, i’m honestly suprised to see name calling like this, I havent seen anything like it since grade school. but anyways despite what peopel say, the loud pipes save lives thing, is only partially true, mainly becasue you do need to be heard while driving, motorcycles are alot smaller then cars, and alot of car drivers are very inconsiderate nowdays, but of course there is no reason to be excessivly loud either, me personly I installed an airhorn on my bike, its loud, but its not going constantly, this is a great way to produce a sound to wake up those drivers cosntantly gabbing on cell phones, endagering not just bikers but other car drivers aswell. so please peopel theres no reason to hate on HD riders or bikers in general or act like children. In my experiences the poeple i met who didnt liek motorcycles, were actaully intolerent and narrow minded, i hope for your sake that you people arent like that, riding a motorbike, is a great culture, and I hope those of you who havent tryed it , you would see what its like for us, walk a mile in our shoes

  97. I live in a small town in Northern Ohio and have noticed that there is a “GOOD OL’ BOY” system. Police protect the right of every loud Harley rider and screw over every crotch rocket, rice burner, etc. I remember reading on the front page on the local newspaper. “Bike Week Invades Town”, it explained how bike week increase revenues for local businesses and what a blessing it was. It also showed how the police were involved with the riding too. The funny thing was the just below this headline was a smaller story, still on the front page mind you. “Town to crack down noise pollution” I not making this up, they we pointing their fingers a teen with car stereos, crotch rockets, modified car exhaust and car horns. I agree there should be limit to how loud something is, but damn… How is a stereo or a crotch rocket anywhere as loud as a modified crackle of an exhaust? I don’t believe for a minute about the “louder the exhaust the safer I am” line. The majority of motorcycle related deaths in the US are caused or helped along by riding drunk. In all honesty, if I hear a extremely loud Harley I’ll do everything in my power to cut you off on the highway. Not to hurt you, but just to piss you off as much as you piss me off.

    1. Wow, attempted murder because of a muffler. You sir, are a piece of work. I have had 2 wrecks while riding my motorcycles in the last 30 years. Both were being hit from behind on the same motorcycle… a japanese bike with quiet factory exhaust. The last time I was traveling at 70 mph and was literally run over by a young man who didn’t see me. I have no idea if hearing me would have prevented the wreck, but I don’t see how it would have hurt anything. My current motorcycle has a slightly modified exhaust but is still neighbor friendly. The cruiser type bikes for some reason don’t seem to have tachometers so it helps a rider if he can hear the engine running over the sound of the wind noise. I don’t ride a motorcycle to piss you off, although after reading your post I must admit that I am pleased that it does. I ride because I enjoy it in spite of people like you, and the fact that I get 55 miles per gallon is pretty sweet too. To spite what you think, I don’t hate you, you just are a shining example of someone who is afraid of living and seeing other people being what you could never be makes you ashamed. I don’t blame you. You have my pity. I sincerely hope that we meet some time out on the highway. Please have a nice day.

  98. Another quick thought just popped into my head. Maybe the loud stereos are just being used to cover up the horrible Harley crackle.

  99. Harley all summer, Jeep Grand Cherokee all winter.
    There are worse things.
    When a thumper stereo and a Harley are sitting together at a red light, you’ll hear the stereo. When an ambulance comes, the Harley rider will hear it and pull over. Just hope you are not in the ambulance when the thumper child delays it.
    I’m sorry if I passed you on the highway, and my pipes made you miss part of your phone conversation. I hope you got your pizza ordered.

  100. It’ not only Harley Davidsons that are loud it’s also the Japanese cruisers as well, and thier loud for a reason loud pipes saves lifes, It’s for the stupid car drivers out there who can not hear a motorcycle comming or even see one for that matter

  101. Have just read the above with interest. I ride loud Harleys in the uk where we have fairly strict rules about noise (and everything else for that matter). I got back from taking my wife to work half an hour ago and I’m still shaking. I was driving up a steep hill approaching a junction and a van driver started to pull out in front of me. I took evasive action and stopped, eventually he stopped as well. I allowed the driver to pull out (gestured him to do so with my hand). As I pulled along-side him he apologised for pulling out on me and said that he’d heard me and that’s what made him pause and look. I’m sorry if my loud bikes annoy some of you (and I’m not going to pretend I ride for environmental reasons or anything other that I just love doing it) but I feel completely justified in making a noise if it makes people aware that I’m there. There is currently a reccomendation that headlights are permenantly on “To increase other road users awareness of your vehicle” So making a loud noise isn’t going to do that too? Going right back to the start of this post… something about having your talking book interupted – get real what is important here? missing a bit of the story (that you can easily hear again) or avoiding a traffic accident? If you don’t like bikes tough, just come out and say it don’t make excuses.

    1. The Harley rider is the bigger asshat. Stupid, low IQ, self-centered wannabe tough guys with loud motorcycles craving attention. We need to pass noise laws like they have in the UK. These scum have no right to force the rest of the world to put up with their noise. Loud pipes have nothing to do with saving lives, because ALL VEHICLES would have loud pipes if that were true. Loud pipes are about ego and stupidity. F&#k Harley riders, may they all become road kill!

      1. people like you are the reason guys like me are given bad names. you probably dont know anyone who owns a Harley. therefore you have no idea what the people riding them are really like. Why dont you get in your probably Honda and drive it off a bridge

    2. As a side note, I should add that I have been a MOTORCYCLIST (not scumbag biker) for better than 32 of my 53 years on this earth. I raced WERA /AMA for 15 years on road circuits. That said, you can say what you want to about the obnoxious DB level saving your ass, but the fact is, it aint so. Here is what saves lives. Slow the hell down, and learn to be a defensive rider. Loud pipes do one thing, and do it well. They make people hate you, disrupt the peace, and make you look like an ass. Grow up.

  102. Harleys. One of the worlds greatest ashole attractants. Bikers are pathetic in so many ways. Silly ass facial hair that’s a cross between bum and filthy cowbow. the gay pride “uniform” with fringe chaps, leather vests proclaiming how dangerous they are, chains (for bondage??) and and boots, all in emo black. The nasty whorish woman in spray painted pants, looking like she just crawled out of a dumpster after a night of hooking, even if she’s 50 years old…The shit attitude and belligerent demeanor. Foul language in public, and a desire to be seen like spoiled children. They are a scourge on society, and care for no one but themselves. The obnoxious motorcycles without benefit of an exhaust system is unacceptable and the lot of them should be fined out of existance by the police. My disgust for them is without bounds.

  103. If you need all that noise “to be seen” I dont want to think about regular bicycle riders. Since they don’t have such an irritating noise it means all of them are gonna get killed by cars?
    What an stupid thing to say.

    1. what ?an? stupid thing to say? seriously before you go trying to downgrade someone, learn grammar.

  104. I dont think harley riders are bad people. But i think what darrens saying is the idiots who flaw it down suburban streets at 6 in the morning are annoying. If your on the highway harleys arnt that annoying. And they don’t sound good by the way guys, only the people who like harleys like the sound. Its not like a nice v8 exhaust its some shit blop blop blop sounds like a lawn mower under water or something?

  105. Harley riders are BY FAR the biggest asshats. The loud pipes don’t bother me at all though. It is their smart elic attitudes that piss me off. I’ve ridden Japanese motorcycles for 40 years in probably 25 different US states and it is the same everywhere you go – gangs of helmetless tattooed hair stylists and librarian, ahem, “bikers” with stupid ape hanger handlebars and 500 pounds of bolt-on doo-dads all dressed up for halloween in May and impersonating Peter Fonda in a low-budget 1960s biker flick while giving any normal person on a ‘serious’ motorcycle dirty looks and smart remarks.

    I’ve met thousands of wonderful bikers from Oregon to Florida, but I can’t count the times some Hell’s Angels “wanna-be” on a Harley has insulted me or been an asshat in some other way. I might also mention that in all those years and about 250,000 miles, I have never had a single unsolicited disagreement with someone on any other make of motorcycle regardless of it’s country of origin. This is strictly a Harley Davidson phenomenon – and it appears to be getting worse.

    I know there are some decent people who ride Harleys – about 10% in my extensive experience – so I’m only talking about the other 90%. curiously, the ‘real’ outlaw bikers I have met on my “rice burners” have been very respectful and easy to get along with. It is the impostors who inherited money in their thirties and then ran out and got their first bike and a costume, uh… I meant some riding gear, that will run their pie holes or give you those al-too-familar ‘smell-of-$h!t’ looks. I have very nearly had to pistol whip a couple of them over the years – seriously. Only my God given graciousness and uncanny ability to feel pity even in the face of a moronic jerk who truly deserves a beatdown saved them.

    SO, you normal 10% of Harley owners, I know it will next to imposible, but please keep trying to change the general public’s image. It can’t hurt. The The rest of them can take a flying leap.

  106. Harley owners with loud pipes and all the stupid chrome crap they litter their bikes with gets my vote.
    The same type who wants everyone to pay attention to them like a 16 year old girl.

    Harley owners with stock pipes dont bother me.

  107. If all you have to do is bitch about loud bikes. Line yourself up for retirement living because thats where you belong! Get a golf cart and go live in nicholodean land.

  108. I ride a Harley and with aftermarket Vance and Hines straight pipes. it deafens myself just idling. I wouldnt have it any other way. Your just jealous that you dont own one. I could care less who sees me its not about that its about the feeling you get when you sit on raw horsepower and take off. Hummers are for rich queers with small penis’s. Harleys are for men. I will never not own a Harley and if someone doesn’t like that its loud. Well thats reason enough for me to kick it down a gear or two and really hit the throttle. Maybe you should ride one before you go complaining about it.

  109. Loud pipes take lifes. My penis makes noise when my wife screams. I ride and I hate the sound of HD’s. They are not cool. If you think they are, well so does my dentist.

    1. Some of us don’t live in the city and walk to work. Some of us don’t like the smog and 10 million people. You are painting with a wide brush, not everyone can be thrown into the same bunch. Some of us don’t ride at night or have loud bikes, we ride on nice days through the twist and turns in the mountains where there are few people. We ride after work just so we aren’t sitting on the couch getting fat like many. No different than taking the boat out to wake board or surf. It’s a hobby and something else to do to live and enjoy life .

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