Now, I’m no fan of unions, but I am a fan of free speech. Via Boing Boing, I read that Telus (the telephone provider for BC and Alberta) is apparently blocking several pro-union websites, preventing their customers from seeing them (and union members from using their online discussion groups):
In an attempt to convince employees to cross picket lines and win public support during what may be a long labour dispute, Telus has blocked access to several pro-union websites from any Telus customer internet connections.
Known pro-union websites currently blocked to Telus customers are http://www.voices-for-change.com and http://www.telusscabs.ca . Visitors posting on the website are asking fellow union members, Telus customers, and the public to file a complaint with the CRTC and their MP for Telus violating their personal right to freedom of speech and freedom of the press under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
I’ll be contacting my MP first thing in the morning. This is a shameful abuse of the power bestowed on Telus by the public.
DarrenBarefoot.com 
For those who wish to view the voices-for-change site but aren’t web-proxy savvy, try out this
http://vfc.proxy.pfak.org/
I see that Boing-Boing has listed the helpful link of:
http://www.crtc.gc.ca/RapidsCCM/Register.asp?lang=E
to register complaints.
Don’t bother with the Boing-Boing link. Basically it just leads to this:
The CRTC does not regulate rates, quality of service issues or business practices for Internet Service Providers. The market is competitive and consumers should shop around to find the one that most suits their needs and budget.
If that’s true, it’s disgusting.
However, in comparison, every time the strike picks up, I find that my longer phone calls are disconnected and followed by a “please hang up and try your call again” message. Both sides are playing dirty tricks.
Andrea:
(or anyone else with service problems)
I’m working on stories today for the CBC about the impact of the Telus dispute.
If you’d like to talk about your experience *today* email me with your phone number — Lisa_Johnson-at-cbc.ca
Apologies for trolling for interviews here.
But it’s such a great discussion ground.
Lisa
their excuses for why they’ve blocked it are utterly shameful. Do they honestly expect people to believe their bullshit? Oh, they show pictures of people crossing the picket line. Because a website is the only way that information is going to get spread to locked out union members. Protecting the safety of your employees my ass, anyone with a lick of sense is going to have no problem getting around the censorship anyway. Grumble, snark.
This has been brewing since I was an employee, 4 years ago. I’m surprised it took this long, to be honest.
My general opinion is the only thing more evil than the unions are the corporations… 🙂
I just saw a report on Global News here in Edmonton in which Telus claimed they pulled the plug because the site shows employee information that threatened their security (people were being followed apparently) as well as information that would inhibit the negotiating process (I think that’s what the guy said).
Anyway, I don’t like Telus, but there might be more to the story.
If people were being followed, and there was reason to believe that it was because of this website, then Telus should have went through the proper channels (i.e. the justice system) and got an injunction against the website. Alternatively, Telus could have contacted the website’s hosting and let them know about the possible misdeeds occuring.
The ONLY Telus is doing this because it’s potentially bad for Telus (aka they’re only saving their own ass). If they were really concerned about safety and such, why aren’t they blocking child pornography, bomb-making instructions, and other such “dangerous” things.
I don’t know Mack … it’s seems heavy handed, that’s what court injunctions are for. Not to mention all the people on Shaw, Rogers, Uniserve, etc can see it, so the safety and negotiating issue falls flat.
I e-mailed my MP (Gary Lunn) about this and am going to blog about it as well.
The precise argument ISPs have made (to avoid being held liable for file sharing and illegal activities taking place over their networks) is that they are “common carriers,” and not responsible for the content they transmit. Telus can’t have it both ways. What other sites might the company prevent me from seeing? With this precedent, what would stop government or a lawsuit from making Telus block sites in the future? Will the company prevent union members from phoning one another too? Rumour has it that may already be happening.
Go visit vfc.proxy.pfak.org or http://www.voices-for-change.com, whichever works for you. And if you’re a Telus customer, phone or Internet, then consider dumping Telus and switching carriers. After more than 20 years, I’m thinking about it.
Hmm. After I blogged about this matter and emailed Telus, an Executive Customer Relations person from the company’s office in Alberta called me. So far it’s been voice mail tag, but it should be interesting to see how this proceeds.
Thomas Dirks
TWU Local 35 (24 yrs.)
Port Hardy, B.C.
While the talking heads from Telus have been screaming about ‘security of their employees’ and classified inforamtion, the most apparent cause for their concern about keeping the site suppressed is the mention of an inhouse video called ‘Telus Idol.mpg’, easy to find on the internet, very hard to watch. (besides the video quality}. My wife was just agast when she saw it, and she has the emotional skin of a rhino. The leader of this wolfpack (D.E.)walked away from the AGM with $CAN 6.5 million stuffed in his jeans. He stated, at last years AGM, that employees could “fit in or f*** off”. The little blue haired old lady shareholders were suitably impressed with his labour relations skills.
Surprisingly, for some time, this little goody was being broadcast on the corporate website as something ‘good’, until some dim bulb (probabliy in legal) said,…. oh,oh.. at which point it was pulled. However, it is public domain which makes their actions all the more odious.
BC Civil Liberties Commission has already walked all over them on this censorship and violation of their service agreement with customers, but it will take lots of public pressure to see the light of day. The video was given to media outlets last year, and typical of PC controlled info bureaus, it quietly disapeared. (don’t want to loose all that ad revenue now do we?}
http://www.archive.org/details/TELUSIdol
to get the video in MPG4. You wll need Quicktime, or Realplayer with the QT plug-in.
http://www.crtc.gc.ca/RapidsCCM/Register.asp?lang=E to let the only regulator that has any power over Telus know what you think of fascism and censorship provided free with your internet service. This is the actual complaint form/process.
Any typos or mis-spelling are typically mine.
Hey I’m willing to admit it looks fishy, but I also want to hear both sides of the story, because there’s always two. Sometimes you just never know!
Besides, ISP’s already block certain traffic. For example, SMTP traffic on standard ports – Telus lets you use their server, but not anyone elses using the standard port (at least on home connections). And they block port 80 traffic on home connections – if they really were just a common carrier, there would be no need, right? I guess what I am saying is that an ISP blocking traffic isn’t really new, ignoring the whole free speech problem in light of the lockout of course.
I suppose that I secretly hope Telus has a good reason, because I don’t like unions.
Why does no one on this site have sympathy for the non-union TELUS employees that are being threatened & harassed by the nature of the photos and captions on the site? The courts certainly agree:
Late yesterday, the Court of Queen’s Bench of Alberta issued an interim order prohibiting the TWU, its members or agents from posting for public viewing on any website any photographs or identifying features with the intent of intimidating or threatening TELUS employees, contractors, customers, suppliers and others. This order is the result of an application filed by TELUS with the court.
With this injunction in place, TELUS has re-enabled access to the voices-for-change.com website from the TELUS network for TELUS customers and Internet service providers.
BJ: The part of the Telus press release you failed to quote reads:
“TELUS’ decision to disable access to the Voices for Change site was based on an overriding need to protect the safety and privacy of our employees who were being targeted and the subject of intimidation.”
If Telus had acted appropriately, they would have applied for and secured a court order immediately. If Raincoast Books can get an injunction on a Saturday afternoon, then Telus can certainly turn one around in a few hours.
As I’ve stated elsewhere, Telus’s actions only highlighted the websites in question, giving their apparently threatened employees far more unwanted attention.
I’ve never actually looked at the photos in question, so I can’t judge whether the Telus employees are deserving of sympathy.
I have wokrd for Telus for the past 5 years and am completely disgusted with how this strike or whatever you want to call it changes people. I have been called a scab,and many other things each and everytime I come and go to work. Maybe these so called people (term used very loosely) should consider that as management if I do not show up for work I get fired!! I can respect the choice you made and I only ask the same of you. Eventually you will be coming back to work and how much respect do you think I will have for you when you come over to my desk and ask me a question or ask me for any help? ABSOLUTELY NONE!..
I am apalled at how I am treated by the same people I have worked with for the past 5 years.
You chant “Shame on Me!”,, well shame on you.
A job is NOT your birthright, I actually put my resignation in 3 weeks before this strike happened because I wasn’t happy and have volunteered to stay and help during this labour action.
If you don’tlike your job you have the ability to quit and go seek other employment. You want “Job Security”, well do a good job. This is not the 1950’s people!
A very tired manager on day 13 of 12 hour shifts. (great summer holiday)
Hope this ends soon so we can all get back to our lives.
Peace
I am a TELUS employee, a union employee, who does not support a union that can not support me (although it’d be nice if they replied to my queries about this ‘strike’, or had communicated with me at ALL regarding their intentions prior to trying to hand me a picket sign when I showed up for work, but I suppose my union dues go to other things..)
I am crossing the line. I have been photographed and video-taped and do not know if I ever made it to “scab of the day”, but I have been yelled and screamed at by the union members whose president tells the media they are a “peaceful union” while lying and under-quoting the number of Union members that are crossing the line in AB. Union members are calling non-picketing members at home to bully them into coming to work. We are verbally abused when we come in to, and leave work in the evening. I did not want my photograph on “scab of the day” (and why are they videotaping, photographing, and writing down our names?Couldn’t someone from the union just call me and explain their mandate on this strike…which is NOT a lockout?), nor did I want the union posting confidential information that could, possibly lead to service outages for our customers.
I would be a fool to admit that TELUS is perfect, but from my card-carrying TWU viewpoint, they are the lesser of two evils right now, and I am both disturbed and glad they blocked those websites until the court order could come through.
and, Nepa, those of us that are coming in to work appreciate the support of the managers. I can not tell you how much. We think you guys are amazing, but the “Don’t ask for my help” attitude is what I’m getting from picketing TWU members. They have told us they will not help, will not support their team-members, will not treat us like friends or co-workers any more. I don’t want to get all soap-boxy here, but it’s easy to say “don’t block the website” when it’s not YOUR safety that is at risk. (I am not an advocate of what TELUS did, but I do understand it.)
I am a member of the union and have been taking pictures and documenting those that I know are union members and crossing. Why we do this you ask. It is because you are breaking a by-law of the union. You will be taken before a jury and charged with your actions and fines will be levied against you. Which could end up being more than all the money you have made while crossing the picket line.
I note some info you non-union or union members who are crossing are putting in these notes… To clarify, CIRB ruling 1291 (available for reading on the http://www.twu-canada.ca) states that this is indeed a lockout. The other misinformation that Telus propaganda machine says that they only have to bargain with the Clearnet employees is also incorrect, see page 27 of said document, it specifies “to bargain in good faith for the entire bargaining unit” but then again Telus has never bargained in good faith this whole past 4 1/2 years, so why obey the laws now. And for those that dont know, the TWU hoped this would be resolved over a year ago when the CIRB decided that Telus should offer binding arbitration to the union. now normally a union wouldnt like this, because its an independant arbitrator who is deciding what items stay and go, to create a balanced contract. In this case we (the union) welcomed it. Telus said they did, but 2 weeks later appealed it and got it thrown out. Since then the TWU has appealed the Federal Minister of Labour to bring in an independant mediator. Telus responded by not only turning that down, they decided to implement their “final offer” which was not negotiated at all. Some people argue that they crossed the line because we didnt put that “offer” to the members of the union to a vote, but when you look at the democratic structure of our union, we voted in members to negotiate and make those decisions for us (that the offer is good enough to bring to a vote). If you dont get involved in the union politics, you cant criticize.. It is the same as our provincial/federal politics. You dont take part, you dont help things out at all.
Ignorance isnt bliss anymore.
Why would someone that works for a company talk bad about them and encourage the customers to go else where ? I have never understood this tactic but maybe I am just a dumb consumer and only want to deal with people that work for a company that they want to work for and if they have an issue then they go else where instead of trying to take the company down with them, but thats just my 2 cents
Well well well. After Darren brought Cable and Wireless to it’s knees in the UK, he was hired to do the same to Telus. As far as I am concerned a scab is a scab. These scabs just don’t get it. After Darren is finished with you he has bigger fish to fry. You do know that he is on the Board of Directors for the TD Bank. Hmmmmm, wonder what that means? Pretty sad to see that he also needs bodyguards. Wonder what that means? Telus is now so above themselves it is sickening. We know who Darren has in his pocket. Wonder why the media is so biased? Amazing what money can do.
BTW I still have yet to be able to view the telus idol video. I hear and read that it is disgraceful. Shame on you Entwistle and shame on you you scabby bastards!
Give this url a try for the bittorrent of telus idol.
http://torrentspy.com/search.asp?mode=torrentdetails&id=365838&query=telus+idol+
I am most certainly disturbed by the content, intent(?), conduct of those in this “production”.
We, the consumers of this service, are under constant bombardment – what with slow service responses, less than dependable equipment and constant rate hikes for nothing short of shameful services.
I most certainly be contacting both my MLA and my MP in addition to the CRTC with my most strenuous complaints of the actions of those in the video. I don’t view this as youthful tom foolery, none of these persons are young, a mild indescretion – mild – I don’t think so; an outrage by a high flying and obviously out of control corporate team. These activities take place during a corporate sanctioned and sponsored retreat, paid for with the profits from your hard earned dollars taken from you under the lowest of monopoly service providers.
I find it quite amusing that TELUS is using the excuse of blocking our websites as a security measure. The taking of photographs of individuals who have made a choice to cross the picket lines is no different when in fact the company has Private Invesigators filming and photographing locked out employees who are manning the picket lines. Are my rights not being violated? I find it hypocritical on TELUS’s part that they claim to be such a great corporate citizen and yet they have no respect for their empoyess who have worked tirelessly to get them the revenue they are generating today. Can you imagine how I feel? I think I’m a pretty hard working employee alongside my co-workers. I never expected that this company would treat it’s employees as criminals. I’ve waited patiently for the last four and half years for my union and TELUS to find some resolve, and now I find myself standing outside carrying a sign saying, “locked out”. I’ve made a choice just like the people who are crossing the picket lines. I know that at the end of the day I am able to live with the choices I have made. I’m not sure if the people who have crossed the lines know how difficult they are making things for the end of this dispute. I am now again waiting patiently for this dispute to find some resolve. And yes, I have made a choice not to cross the picket lines. I understand at the end of the day that the respect that I recieve from my peers comes from the integrity I have shown them. Corporations need to be held accounatble for their actions regardless of political and economic influence.
I am so disgusted with ANY and ALL union people who have crossed the lines! While most of us fight for YOUR job, wages and what have you, you go to work and earn money! What the hell is wrong with that picture? Why should you benefit from our work? You should be out here with everyone else! You that are crossing have earned nothing but contempt and disgust and you deserve all the crap that is thrown at you. None of us wants to be out here but we do our duty, what makes you so special to benefit all the way around? Believe me when it is all over both sides will be sickened by you as no body respects selfishness like yours. We all have rent, mortgages, kids, cars, etc. to pay for not just YOU. We are the ones who will save your job for you and you have the gaul to go to work and basically spit in our faces!
You know something else? I don’t even work for Telus but I have been down on the line a few times (used to be an employee) and cannot for the life of me believe the incredible disrespect you crossers are showing for the rest of your co-workers and for yourself. I bet a lot of people would love to go to work but they won’t. They have integrity. Where did yours go to? Are you also this selfish with your family and all other dealings in life? I sure hope I don’t know any of you personally as I would be scared and horrified if any of you were someone I knew and thought I couse trust.
I also think the contract should have been put to a vote but it wasn’t so I do believe you should respect all the other people out there picketing or not picketing but also not crossing and you should NOT be going to work. Goes to show what people are made of when something like this happens. Most of us are decent then there are those that will cross the picket lines and who the hell cares. Remember that when you are in need sometime – not too many will be interested in helping you.
As for the managers going to work, they have to as they don’t have a union (they should consider joining!!). I hear they are treated like crap. Let them do their thing, they can’t keep it up forever. And I doubt many if any of them wants this either.
Anyway……….
You still have time to correct your mistake and walk out those doors. Forgivness will likely come to you if you do.
I have always supported Telus. When they started offering 5 cents a minute I was back with them right away. Unfortunately, my bills were wrong for 3 months. Now they want to charge me $25 for their mistakes (I cancelled my service).
When I read the service agreement I found this little gem – As your exclusive long distance provider, you authorized TELUS to block all originating long distance calls using other companies’ long distance services and/or networks.”
Does this mean Telus gets to decide who I can and can not talk to?
I work for Telus. I don’t agree with the union. Job security depends on the value you hold as an employee to the company. The corporation isn’t evil. A corporation exists to make money. If TELUS is successful, which of course it is, we will reap the benefits. The strikers out on the streets are fighting for ridiculous resrictions to be put on TELUS.. banning TELUS from contracting work isn’t going to help the company, therefore people will lose jobs as TELUS loses money.
I do not believe in solidarity of people in order to be successful. I rely on myself, I could care less about the people on the picket lines. They have made a personal choice to be out there and I respect that. I do not call names, I do not claim disgust, I merely have made a choice and am acting upon it. If you would consider philosophy of rationality, one can never know what is best for any other. One can only know what is best for oneself. Although I find myself repeating this over and over, I find that socialists are far too brainwashed by the government, and by eachother to actually question authority and why it exists.
I am a libertarian, and an anarcho-capitalist. All I know is that I cannot trust anyone but myself to take care of me. If everyone in the world took care of themselves and no one else, it would be a greater place.
The picketers are caring too much about other people, what they’re doing, the actions of others. One cannot force another to do what one wishes. That is an irrationality. In order to further one’s life as an individual one must act individually.
Many strikers are claiming TELUS as being greedy. I would have to say the UNION is the culprit guilty of greed. Most people have a misconception that greed means to want more money, to live outside of one’s needs.
However, in reality, what greed means is for one to want more than what one is capable of obtaining. The picketers are greedy for wanting TELUS to give them more and more. If you don’t like working for TELUS, quit. It’s as simple as that. Find a new job. If you want to keep your job? Quit biting the hand that feeds you. TELUS is not the enemy. I am a loyal employee. This is not a war. It’s a dispute that has erupted over the clashing of different ideas.
The strikers claim that TELUS makes enough money already, they should give it to the employees. I’m sorry, but we get paid extremely well. The new contract even grants us a raise.
As for the websites being shut down– as a current employee and worker that is crossing picket lines, YES I did feel uncomfortable when I walked outside for a cigarette and was met with angry people plastered in signs shouting insults and taking my picture. When asked to stop, they would continue to snap away. When I walked away, they would follow. It got to the point of which I was concerned about my personal safety. I disagree with censorship but
“the rights of your fist stop where the rights of my face begin”
You may call us selfish, and that is correct. Why should I care about your mortages and your families? I care about myself. You should care about yourselves. If you had any self esteme, you would be crossing those lines and you would be at work.
Another thing, if you don’t like TELUS, don’t work for them. There are countless other employers that would be glad to have you.
Even if TELUS contracted work out, like installers and such, it would be easy for ex-TELUS employees to obtain jobs at the contracted work and potentially make twice as much as they earn as of now.
As for the 4000 person call centre in the Phillipines? This is for customer service for Asia. It’s about company expansion.
I have to question the intelligence, integrity, and worth of the people on the picket lines. You are each of a moral evil.
And you sir, with the TELUS bills that came wrong so many times. If the company is given employee flexibility, there wouldn’t be any morons screwing up your bills. Greater efficiency would reign true. It’s a company’s right to hire and keep people that benefit the company. That is a fact of business
In order to make money one must provide excellent goods and services and TELUS is striving to do just that. The new contract will do nothing but benefit the customer, the hard-working employee, and the corporation as a whole.
Hmm… Just reading some of these comments. I am a former Telus manager (quit in 1995 when my husband, a bargaining unit employee, got a posting in the BC Interior).
Because I was in management and my husband a member of the TWU, we both always maintained a neutral view of the management-union divisions that exist and are obviously being expressed on this site.
For those of you who are anti-union hardliners, you really make yourselves look foolish I have to say. I remember in high school learning about the Industrial Revolution and the origins of organized labour. How the working class rose up against the corporations out of necessity to overcome horrid working conditions and ridiculously low wages. You have to understand that the reason you enjoy the wages and working conditions today (whether you’re a member of a union or not) are because of those people who sacrificed for their right to a better life. I guess they don’t teach that in History 12 anymore….
The pendulum of power seemed to swing towards unions back in the 50’s and 60’s, then carried through until recently. I think that the unions likely had too much power over the companies in those days. Too much power is not a good thing – I think that unions have to give up a bit of turf. I have to say though, that the power shift that large corporations are asking for is WAY out of line. It is sad to see such a great company resort to bully tactics towards their employees. In the case of Darren Entwhistle, I really don’t think he’ll be content until he brings the TWU to its knees. I can tell you, that won’t be a good thing. There has to be a middle ground here folks – otherwise we will be back to the archaeic working conditions of the past where large corporations roll in the dough at the expense of their employees. I know there are so many hard working union members out there (my husband included) that work hard for their pay cheques and who take pride in their work. Many of them are embarrased when they show up to a senior citizen’s home and find that an elderly lady has been patiently waiting for service for weeks, waiting for her turn in the queue. It’s the unionized employees that have to face these customers, not those in the “Boot” that made the decision to arbitrarily cut jobs in order to satisfy the shareholders. I don’t know where this is all heading, but it certainly looks like “the little guy” doesn’t matter anymore. The all mighty dollar has driven many to sell their souls it appears. I feel terribly sad that many of the next generation of Telus employees don’t quite “get it” and haven’t attempted to make the effort to see things from both sides. All I can say is if I was still in management, I’d have a difficult time being loyal to a company that only cares about its shareholders…..
I’ve read up and educated myself on the TWU and everything they’re requesting. The problem is that of course unions worked back in different economic systems, they needed to basically ban together because they were unfairly treated, however this is modern canada. that wouldn’t happen nowadays, and although socialism isn’t exactly my idea of a picnic it’s still a lot better for working conditions than the examples of when unions rose up to fight the man.
if you don’t like TELUS, don’t work for TELUS.
“This is modern day Canada – that wouldn’t happen nowadays” Maybe not on this go round – maybe not even the next go round; but, history has a nasty habit of repeating itself and, we are human beings who don’t exactly learn from our past mistakes.
We as a society had better be careful as this sudden swing that we’re seeing that favours huge earnings by large corporations and lowered employee rights and wages could eliminate the middle class – you know: the people that pay the lions share of taxes, buy the vehicles, houses, TV’s, etc. – the ones that keep our economy running!!
Most agree the current contract that just expired is unworkable for today’s world – we shouldn’t forget though, the current contract that just expired took years to develop and now the company wants to do away with it in one fell swoop.
Perhaps the company should be somewhat more patient and gradually chip away at the union as opposed to chopping them off at the knees.
One can’t deny that the company is sitting pretty good right now and if it can get some concessions from the union, should be poised to enjoy continued growth until the next contract. Then they can chip away some more.
It really doesn’t look like the company is hurting all that much right now – of course they are entering a new age with technology growing leaps and bounds. No one disagrees that Telus has to position themselves for the future, but at what cost to families???
questioning authority…you are a scab…if you are crossing a legal picket line to perform work normally done like a bargaining unit employee…you are a scab…the wages and benefits you are enjoying today were achieved by your greedy brothers and sisters in past contract negotiations…speaking of negotiations…telus has been found guilty of bargaining in bad faith on three separate occasions…and interfering with the operations of a trade union…and just for your edification you spineless scab…it’s a lockout…so enjoy yourself while you are working your sorry ass off…listening to your ipod…cashing in your worthless gift certificates….sucking up all the free lolly telus is throwing at you…at the end of this dispute…you will be tried by a jury of your peers…you will be fined the equivalent of all you earned while crossing a legal picket line…telus cannot pay your fines…your union membership may be revoked..and you may be fired if you take this to arbitration…and factually…you should find another job…since you seem to have no use for unions…we are not going away…as awful as it sounds…you are a spineless cowardly scab…people of integrity are on the line…
The day I witnessed Darren’s dog and pony show in front of the Telus tower in Calgary , I knew the man was a moron. To parade scabs in front of a legal union demonstration , shows me he has some pretty strange strategies. We are on the right side , don’t let the company sway your opinion with false facts and intimidation. These are strange days , but we will prevail , and the scabs will get their just rewards. Solidarity is more powerfull than propoganda.
We have 22 techs on our I &R crew. Every week 18 of us picket , 4 are unnacounted for. Our manager comes by the line constantly to tell us that half the crew has crossed , and we should join in the charge now. This new math is really hard to calculate , I need help with it. 4 out of 22 =50% ………..hmmmmm
Telus is blocking us from going to the CBC Web site. This is after the CBC made several visits to our web page regarding our situation. We have support from an American media mogul by the name of Michael M also. We are blocked from visiting his page too.
Funny thing…. As a buffer we decided to double check our on going problem; two minutes after starting this post we tried the CBC and MM Site again. Wow. Service is restored. This is after two weeks of being blocked from our desired destination. Interesting. Things now seem fine for now, thanks to our inquiry and deciding to post. Telus how close are you watching our business? And who is paying you? Don’t worry we will eventually find out.
There couple of fascinating points with time in this post but I don’t know if these center to heart. There’s some validity but I’m going to take hold opinion until I explore it further. Superb article , thanks and we want more! Added to FeedBurner likewise